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Looks like a few of us are in similar boats. I'll be looking in the 40-50k range hopefully 1st quarter of next year. I did look at the R8's but just don't think I'd be able to convince myself to pull the trigger on a V10 as a daily driver. The TT-RS is a great car on all counts, but I just REALLY don't like how it looks.

 

The shortlist grows and shrinks all the time as I flip flop on what I want but it at the moment the options look like this:

 

2018/19 Audi RS4 Avant

2018/19 Merc C63 Wagon

2019 Jaguar F-Type P380

2018 Porsche 718 Cayman S

2015 Porsche 981 Cayman GTS

2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S

 

The top 3 are the most likely contenders after flip flopping all over the show, but the 718 and 981 Cayman's keep hanging in there as an option. Would like to get out there and see/test but 1. its probably too early and 2. Covid... 

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I think you’d find a 2012 911 very hard to live with now. My 991.2 already felt pretty dated inside and it was a nearly new car! 
 

I looked at RS4’s but the sound put me off. Nearly bought a GLC 63 AMG and looked hard at C63 wagons (something about estate cars a love!) so that would be my pick out of your list. 
 

The car attached is the TTRS I bought. Looks are always subjective and I get any car won’t be to everyone’s taste. But I think it looks awesome and very aggressive from the front. The rear less so perhaps, although the exhausts are lovely. 
 

 

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17 minutes ago, Doc83 said:

I think you’d find a 2012 911 very hard to live with now. My 991.2 already felt pretty dated inside and it was a nearly new car! 
 

I looked at RS4’s but the sound put me off. Nearly bought a GLC 63 AMG and looked hard at C63 wagons (something about estate cars a love!) so that would be my pick out of your list. 
 

The car attached is the TTRS I bought. Looks are always subjective and I get any car won’t be to everyone’s taste. But I think it looks awesome and very aggressive from the front. The rear less so perhaps, although the exhausts are lovely. 
 

 

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Yeh I agree about the 911 which is why it's highly unlikely. I've just got a bit of a fascination with them so if I had 991.2 money I'd probably get one, but unfortunately they're about £10-20k over my budget dependant on the type. I'd be quite happy with a 718 Cayman though as I think the size suites the type of car better, plus they are surprisingly practical... it's just that damn flat-4 that puts me off.

 

As for the TT, I agree it is all very subjective. I think they look great from the front, very mean and and aggressive, but the side profile and rear just don't do it for me. It's almost like two cars stitched together. Really aggressive and angular up front but then rounded off and "bubbly" at the back like an original TT. Great to drive from what I hear though and the sound is awesome.

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10 hours ago, Doc83 said:

I had a Golf R with tuning box back in 2015. Since then I’ve had a few different cars, including my previous car which was a Porsche 991.2 Carrera 4S. I also had a mk3 TTRS and missed it so much I’ve just gone back to one. I’m back in love again. 
 

If seriously considering a previous gen R8 then I would strongly recommend a drive in the latest TTRS. The engine is honestly frankly ridiculous for the money, it sounds incredible, goes like stink and has one of the best interiors around. You can pick one up with low miles now for £35-38k. A simple remap gets them to 60/100mph in 3.0s/7.1s.

 

Testers criticise the handling at 10/10th’s and some understeer, but on the road I’ve never experienced it. It just grips and goes and feels much lighter on its feet than the mechanically similar RS3. 
 

Try one out, what have you got to lose...!

 

 

I will

Forgot about the MK3 TTRS

I like them and they are quite rare on the roads and as you say bang for buck are incredible. That 5 pot sounds incredible. 
I’ll give it a while until a test drive can be achieved after the virus passes.

Did you source your card from the main dealer ?

 

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9 hours ago, tweaked9107 said:

 

Yeh I agree about the 911 which is why it's highly unlikely. I've just got a bit of a fascination with them so if I had 991.2 money I'd probably get one, but unfortunately they're about £10-20k over my budget dependant on the type. I'd be quite happy with a 718 Cayman though as I think the size suites the type of car better, plus they are surprisingly practical... it's just that damn flat-4 that puts me off.

 

As for the TT, I agree it is all very subjective. I think they look great from the front, very mean and and aggressive, but the side profile and rear just don't do it for me. It's almost like two cars stitched together. Really aggressive and angular up front but then rounded off and "bubbly" at the back like an original TT. Great to drive from what I hear though and the sound is awesome.


A nice 981 Catman S or GTS sound great. 
 

Cayman R are very sought after but maybe a bit too track focused for your requirements?

 

How about GTR? Very costly to run is the only downside for me. TTRS much more affordable on that front.

 

I too keep flip flopping but I’ve added a few more things to my R recently to keep my interest until probably next year when this crisis pans out.

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3 hours ago, Msportman said:

I will

Forgot about the MK3 TTRS

I like them and they are quite rare on the roads and as you say bang for buck are incredible. That 5 pot sounds incredible. 
I’ll give it a while until a test drive can be achieved after the virus passes.

Did you source your card from the main dealer ?

 

Sourced from main dealer. Had to jump through many hoops because of coronavirus but got there in the end. 
 

Got approx £5k off original asking price and regardless of what dealers might be saying, they need to sell cars and business is not good for them at the moment. 
 

Good luck with the search!

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4 hours ago, Msportman said:


A nice 981 Catman S or GTS sound great. 
 

Cayman R are very sought after but maybe a bit too track focused for your requirements?

 

How about GTR? Very costly to run is the only downside for me. TTRS much more affordable on that front.

 

I too keep flip flopping but I’ve added a few more things to my R recently to keep my interest until probably next year when this crisis pans out.

 

Yeh the R is definitely too track focused. Whatever I buy will be getting driven daily so a car with no air-con or radio isn't going to happen. Plus from what I've read the R isn't too different from the S - not noticeably for the average driver anyway. I'd rather get the newer 981 GTS which is pretty much the same car. I need to have a go in a 718 S or GTS with a sports exhaust though. I get different reports from different people. All say the flat 6 sounds better which is of course to be expected, but some do say the flat 4 actually sounds pretty good.

 

As far as the GTR, I group that into the same category as the R8 with the exception being that I'd MUCH rather have an R8 as it has more of a supercar feel (especially the V10). As much as the GTR is considered an everyday sports car, it's just as expensive to own and run as an R8. 

 

I'd love to get a V10 R8 and I did do a potential ownership cost comparison with a C63 and Golf R.

Based on Fuel, Tyres, Tax, Service, Warranty and Insurance. This is assuming you buy manufacturer extended warranties and servicing. I also based it on 7000 miles per year and a fuel price of 1.40 per litre. Insurance was based on myself with 7 years no claims and no claims or convictions. Servicing was based on an average of the major and minor + £100 worth of extras for the hell of it. 

 

Golf R - £3055 per year

C63 - £5365 per year

R8 - £7720 per year

 

Fuel - £1400 more a year. I average 27mpg in the Golf (I know it CAN do MUCH better) and from what I've read a V10 will do about 15 average.

Tyres - I based it on a set lasting 3 years on the Golf and 2 on the C63 and R8. All PS2 - a set on the R8 will set you back about £1000 and the C63 £800.

Tax - Varies based on the age of course but assuming my budget the R8 is £570 per annum and the Golf of course is just £145.

Service - So dealers only and with an extra thrown on you are looking at about £350 for the Golf vs 600 C63 and £950 R8. That is an average though with a bad year for the R8 (Major plus Haldex, brake fluid and S-Tronic transmission) setting you back £1528. You would think some of those would be included in the major but if Audi's website is anything to go apparently not. I'm sure this could be dropped by about 30% if you went to an independent instead though.

Warranty - So this is the "gamble". For the R i'd say it's a no brainer at about £250 I think it was for mine, but for the Merc its £100 and R8 £1900. It's A LOT of money but any problems on either and you could see bills much higher than that. An example with the R8 is the the magnetic dampers going which cost about £800 per corner. I think they get changed in pairs so that's £1600 in one go. I think you mentioned getting a manual, well a new clutch on one of those is over £3000. Again specialists will bring that down. 

Insurance - Not actually "that" big of a difference really. Okay it's £340 more for the R8 over the Golf but only £30 between R8 and Merc. May be cheaper for others based on age and no claims, location bla bla bla. 

 

Consumables - Other than tyres I haven't included this one as its very hard to figure out how often you'll need to change as it depends on current condition, mileage and how you use them. I don't know about the costs on the R or C63 but at Audi a set of front pads and discs is £1275 fitted. Again I'm sure a specialist could do it for 20-30% less than that but still another cost.

 

So ignoring the consumables bit it would be an extra £2300 to own a C63 over the Golf and an extra £4670 for the R8. As much as the R8 is significantly cheaper than most other "super" cars such as Ferrari, Aston etc, its till an extra £400 a month to own it over the Golf which is A LOT to the average person. The C63 however is more reasonable at half as much more per year (others such as RS4's and F-Types also similar in price). 

 

Where it gets really interesting though is when you start to look at depreciation. So based on a roughly 50k car when bought and then 3 years ownership a 2019 C63 would go from £50,000 to about £37,000 so about £4500 per year. In comparison a 2011/2012 R8 V10 would go from £50,000 to £45,000 so only £1600 per year. Really rough estimates of course but that means potentially the C63 is actually £9865 per year vs £9320... makes it slightly more attractive then. Provided nothing breaks of course...

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