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Sorry guys,

 I have ever used snow foam but after seeing reviews about it I thought I’d give it a try.

I have a Karcher K4 which has a bottle that can be topped up with various products to apply shampoo etc. Can I use this to spray the car with snow foam or do I need to buy a snow foam Lance?

 

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38 minutes ago, Puglet said:

Sorry guys,

 I have ever used snow foam but after seeing reviews about it I thought I’d give it a try.

I have a Karcher K4 which has a bottle that can be topped up with various products to apply shampoo etc. Can I use this to spray the car with snow foam or do I need to buy a snow foam Lance?

 


You can of course use the bottle that comes with the Karcher to apply snow foam, shampoo etc, and if you’ve got it then might as well give it a try.  In truth they are a poor in comparison to a proper snow foam lance.  Proper snow foam lances are much more effective, more range of adjustment, usually allowing for both dilution adjustment and often adjustable spray angle etc, and are far more effective at providing the best application method for snow foams.  Good ones to look at are Autobrite and PA snow foam lances which are very adjustable and robust, with metal parts and heavy duty bottles.  I used both of those types (essentially they are the same) for many years before moving to a Kranzle specific one last year.  Years of faithful service from both.  Many people start out with the Karcher ones then invest fairly quickly in a proper snow foam lance and don’t look back.  So may be try what you have first and you can always upgrade to a proper lance if the one you have feels lacking.  
 

What snow foam are you going to use?  They can vary quite a bit.  Bilt Hamber Auto Foam is a great snow foam if you’re on the hunt for something highly effective and good value for money.  Valet Pro Advanced Neutral also great.  Both are the perfect consistency for effective cleansing at the right dilution ratio.  Aim is to have a foam with a consistency that is enough to cling and dwell on the panels for a good few minutes to soften and loosen the surface dirt, but not so thick that it doesn’t run off freely taking the dirt with it.  
 

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Some of the very thick shaving foam consistency snow foams don’t do much more than sit there looking impressive but are actually less impressive in cleansing terms.  So if getting a proper snow foam then partnering it with a good snow foam will give you good results.  

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You could use the karcher sprayer thingy but I would get a proper snow foam lance. I got the Dodo Juice foam lance and works very well with the karcher K4 (that's what i use) and only costs around 25 quid

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3 hours ago, Veloce said:

You could use the karcher sprayer thingy but I would get a proper snow foam lance. I got the Dodo Juice foam lance and works very well with the karcher K4 (that's what i use) and only costs around 25 quid

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Hello and thank you for your response. At the end of the Day I have decided to go for Rebeccas suggestion of PA snow foam lance. 👍

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3 hours ago, Booth11 said:


You can of course use the bottle that comes with the Karcher to apply snow foam, shampoo etc, and if you’ve got it then might as well give it a try.  In truth they are a poor in comparison to a proper snow foam lance.  Proper snow foam lances are much more effective, more range of adjustment, usually allowing for both dilution adjustment and often adjustable spray angle etc, and are far more effective at providing the best application method for snow foams.  Good ones to look at are Autobrite and PA snow foam lances which are very adjustable and robust, with metal parts and heavy duty bottles.  I used both of those types (essentially they are the same) for many years before moving to a Kranzle specific one last year.  Years of faithful service from both.  Many people start out with the Karcher ones then invest fairly quickly in a proper snow foam lance and don’t look back.  So may be try what you have first and you can always upgrade to a proper lance if the one you have feels lacking.  
 

What snow foam are you going to use?  They can vary quite a bit.  Bilt Hamber Auto Foam is a great snow foam if you’re on the hunt for something highly effective and good value for money.  Valet Pro Advanced Neutral also great.  Both are the perfect consistency for effective cleansing at the right dilution ratio.  Aim is to have a foam with a consistency that is enough to cling and dwell on the panels for a good few minutes to soften and loosen the surface dirt, but not so thick that it doesn’t run off freely taking the dirt with it.  
 

49735519077_89ed947503_o.jpg

 

48807974778_6c71cfb0d3_o.jpg

 

Some of the very thick shaving foam consistency snow foams don’t do much more than sit there looking impressive but are actually less impressive in cleansing terms.  So if getting a proper snow foam then partnering it with a good snow foam will give you good results.  

Hi Rebecca. Based upon your experience I’ve Ordered a PW from clean your car. I have Bilt Hammer snow foam and clay bar, and Das pro 6 plus Meguiar’s package. All I need to do now is learn what order to prep and clean car. Thank you for your highly respected help.

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Here are a few suggestions off the top of my head (I'm sure Bec & others can improve/fix my mistakes/omissions), and there is a lot more info in the detailing sub-forum eg:

 

1  If the car is really filthy pressure wash off clods of mud, thick layers of cow poo etc (otherwise go straight to 2)

 

Preferably do the following out of the sun:

 

2  Apply snow foam to a dry car, allow to dwell for a few minutes (don't allow to dry out), pressure rinse off

 

3  Wash car with good quality shampoo (2 bucket method or use lots of fresh wash mitts without rinsing)  I use the left over shampoo to wash my wheels last, others like to wash the wheels first, but in always use separate mitts/brushes & buckets for wheels that never touch the body paintwork.

 

4  Remove any remaining bugs or tar (try to keep these products off rubber & plastic trims, rinse immediately if split).  Rinse paintwork afterwards.

 

5  Clay bar if needed (use a thin plastic bag to feel for any remaining contaminants )

 

6  Inspect paint work for swirls, scratches etc that can be corrected .  Have a look at the many youtube videos for hints on using a DA for correction. Most important principle is to always start with least aggressive corrections, scale up as needed. Try not to get too obsessive, or you might take way too much time.

 

7  Once you have the paintwork in the condition YOU are happy with (don't worry about what other people think) then choose and apply a wax or sealant or coating that meets your needs (look carefully at how easy they are to apply, some are easier than others). 

 

8  Step back and admire your results, take some photos if you like, share them if you want (or not, that is entirely up to you).  From now on you should only need to wash your car, and only repeat the correction process above when it is needed again.

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9 hours ago, Puglet said:

Hi Rebecca. Based upon your experience I’ve Ordered a PW from clean your car. I have Bilt Hammer snow foam and clay bar, and Das pro 6 plus Meguiar’s package. All I need to do now is learn what order to prep and clean car. Thank you for your highly respected help.


Highly recommend this guy (WhiteDetails) for learning, while he doesn’t necessarily do tutorials here does do lengthy videos on an entire detail over a few days which is good to watch to learn the process.


https://www.youtube.com/c/WhiteDetails

 

Also Pan The Organiser is great for more product comparisons and tutorials, can’t go wrong with him either.

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/PanTheOrganizer

 

Final recommendation is Chicago Auto Pros for a mixture of the two above

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChicagoAutoPros

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10 hours ago, Puglet said:

Hi Rebecca. Based upon your experience I’ve Ordered a PW from clean your car. I have Bilt Hammer snow foam and clay bar, and Das pro 6 plus Meguiar’s package. All I need to do now is learn what order to prep and clean car. Thank you for your highly respected help.


Hi Pete, glad to be of help, and plenty in here with very good advice and experience to help you out, as with Greg and Elliott’s advice above.  
 

Some nice purchases there!  
 

With the Bilt Hamber Auto Foam they have a very specific way of measuring and working out the dilution of snow foam solution to water, which gives you something called the Panel Impact Ratio.  Details will be on the bottle but also some info here if you want to follow that. https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/35572-bilt-hamber-auto-foam-dilution-ratio/?do=findComment&comment=528134.
There’s also quite a few posts on PIR on Detailing World site.  Not everyone follows it and many of us have arrived at the same result through experience and/or trial and error, but there is a ‘method’ if you’re interested.  
 

As others have said take the time to read up, watch some tutorials and videos for the various techniques - washing, drying, chemical decontaminating, claying, DA polishing and protecting, etc.  The key is first to get into a good washing and drying technique and then build from there.  Getting the basics right is important and will preserve the finish of the car much longer and lessen the need for lots of correction (aside from any needed in the beginning).  You’ll come to find your own best practice based upon the experience of others here and out in detailing land.  And make your own adjustments and tweaks to suit you and the time you have to do these things.   I put a few pointers on some of these things in the thread that Greg linked to above in his post. 
 

There are numerous places to find info and some great YouTube channels and other resources, so well worth taking your time to watch and learn a few techniques, and get some tips.  Someone recently asked me for some pointers on videos and websites for machine polishing and I gave them these links below but all of them have other links to a ton of info on all aspects of detailing car care. 

 

Autogeek is a great resource with lots of how tos and sage advice.  Autogeek was set up by Mike Phillips who is a detailing guru used to be at Meguiars.  When I was first starting out with a DA I watched lots of Mike Philips videos.  Many others great tutorials have sprung up since but still find Mike Philips and Autogeek still very good resource.  

Loads of how-tos here https://www.autogeek.net/detailingtips.html

Here’s their intro to polishing one https://www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polisher.html

And their YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/autogeek


There’s also Forensic Detailing YouTube channel which has some great guides and videos and is widely followed by detailing enthusiasts.  He also dies a lot of testing of products which is interesting watching. 
 

https://www.youtube.com/c/ForensicDetailingChannel

 

There’s quite a few videos on DA polishing on Forensic Detailing, but here’s a beginner one.  
 

 

And another very popular YT detailing channel is Ammo NYC that have loads of good video guides. 

https://www.youtube.com/user/AMMONYCdotcom

 

And Junkman 2000 is another well regarded YT detailing channel 

https://www.youtube.com/user/Junkman2000

 

He has a four part video guide to machine polishing on that channel as well as a load more videos. 

 

And an old guide but actually very good for explaining some of the technical stuff is this Detailing World guide to DA machine polishing. https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/misc/dapolishing.pdf
 

It can be a bit daunting at first this detailing lark but watch a few vids, take time to get the basics right and it’s very rewarding and the results should speak for themselves!   And, hopefully it should be enjoyable!  
 

Let us know how you get on.   :)

 

 

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5 hours ago, gregozedobe said:

Here are a few suggestions off the top of my head (I'm sure Bec & others can improve/fix my mistakes/omissions), and there is a lot more info in the detailing sub-forum eg:

 

1  If the car is really filthy pressure wash off clods of mud, thick layers of cow poo etc (otherwise go straight to 2)

 

Preferably do the following out of the sun:

 

2  Apply snow foam to a dry car, allow to dwell for a few minutes (don't allow to dry out), pressure rinse off

 

3  Wash car with good quality shampoo (2 bucket method or use lots of fresh wash mitts without rinsing)  I use the left over shampoo to wash my wheels last, others like to wash the wheels first, but in always use separate mitts/brushes & buckets for wheels that never touch the body paintwork.

 

4  Remove any remaining bugs or tar (try to keep these products off rubber & plastic trims, rinse immediately if split).  Rinse paintwork afterwards.

 

5  Clay bar if needed (use a thin plastic bag to feel for any remaining contaminants )

 

6  Inspect paint work for swirls, scratches etc that can be corrected .  Have a look at the many youtube videos for hints on using a DA for correction. Most important principle is to always start with least aggressive corrections, scale up as needed. Try not to get too obsessive, or you might take way too much time.

 

7  Once you have the paintwork in the condition YOU are happy with (don't worry about what other people think) then choose and apply a wax or sealant or coating that meets your needs (look carefully at how easy they are to apply, some are easier than others). 

 

8  Step back and admire your results, take some photos if you like, share them if you want (or not, that is entirely up to you).  From now on you should only need to wash your car, and only repeat the correction process above when it is needed again.

Thanks Greg. That clarifies things for me and takes the pressure off. 👍

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5 hours ago, ellixtt said:


Highly recommend this guy (WhiteDetails) for learning, while he doesn’t necessarily do tutorials here does do lengthy videos on an entire detail over a few days which is good to watch to learn the process.


https://www.youtube.com/c/WhiteDetails

 

Also Pan The Organiser is great for more product comparisons and tutorials, can’t go wrong with him either.

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/PanTheOrganizer

 

Final recommendation is Chicago Auto Pros for a mixture of the two above

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChicagoAutoPros

Cheers ellixtt. I will take look.

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4 hours ago, Booth11 said:


Hi Pete, glad to be of help, and plenty in here with very good advice and experience to help you out, as with Greg and Elliott’s advice above.  
 

Some nice purchases there!  
 

With the Bilt Hamber Auto Foam they have a very specific way of measuring and working out the dilution of snow foam solution to water, which gives you something called the Panel Impact Ratio.  Details will be on the bottle but also some info here if you want to follow that. https://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/35572-bilt-hamber-auto-foam-dilution-ratio/?do=findComment&comment=528134.
There’s also quite a few posts on PIR on Detailing World site.  Not everyone follows it and many of us have arrived at the same result through experience and/or trial and error, but there is a ‘method’ if you’re interested.  
 

As others have said take the time to read up, watch some tutorials and videos for the various techniques - washing, drying, chemical decontaminating, claying, DA polishing and protecting, etc.  The key is first to get into a good washing and drying technique and then build from there.  Getting the basics right is important and will preserve the finish of the car much longer and lessen the need for lots of correction (aside from any needed in the beginning).  You’ll come to find your own best practice based upon the experience of others here and out in detailing land.  And make your own adjustments and tweaks to suit you and the time you have to do these things.   I put a few pointers on some of these things in the thread that Greg linked to above in his post. 
 

There are numerous places to find info and some great YouTube channels and other resources, so well worth taking your time to watch and learn a few techniques, and get some tips.  Someone recently asked me for some pointers on videos and websites for machine polishing and I gave them these links below but all of them have other links to a ton of info on all aspects of detailing car care. 

 

Autogeek is a great resource with lots of how tos and sage advice.  Autogeek was set up by Mike Phillips who is a detailing guru used to be at Meguiars.  When I was first starting out with a DA I watched lots of Mike Philips videos.  Many others great tutorials have sprung up since but still find Mike Philips and Autogeek still very good resource.  

Loads of how-tos here https://www.autogeek.net/detailingtips.html

Here’s their intro to polishing one https://www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polisher.html

And their YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/autogeek


There’s also Forensic Detailing YouTube channel which has some great guides and videos and is widely followed by detailing enthusiasts.  He also dies a lot of testing of products which is interesting watching. 
 

https://www.youtube.com/c/ForensicDetailingChannel

 

There’s quite a few videos on DA polishing on Forensic Detailing, but here’s a beginner one.  
 

 

And another very popular YT detailing channel is Ammo NYC that have loads of good video guides. 

https://www.youtube.com/user/AMMONYCdotcom

 

And Junkman 2000 is another well regarded YT detailing channel 

https://www.youtube.com/user/Junkman2000

 

He has a four part video guide to machine polishing on that channel as well as a load more videos. 

 

And an old guide but actually very good for explaining some of the technical stuff is this Detailing World guide to DA machine polishing. https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/misc/dapolishing.pdf
 

It can be a bit daunting at first this detailing lark but watch a few vids, take time to get the basics right and it’s very rewarding and the results should speak for themselves!   And, hopefully it should be enjoyable!  
 

Let us know how you get on.   :)

 

 

Hi Becs.

It looks like I’ll be in detailing videos for a few hours. Thank you for your help!

 

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