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Hi.  I'd welcome your advice and recommendations please re my Golf R estate, facelift 2017 DSG ...


My local VW dealer has done a health check and reported the pads are 75% worn (from a visual check) and that the discs and pads need replacing front and rear.

I've questioned this and asked them to measure rather than just do a visual check and report back.


Whilst they're are doing this, do you know what the new pad and disc thickness is, and what is the minimum thickness for each?
Also, who makes the OEM parts?
And, how many hours would you guess this job would take?  Perhaps 1.5?


I have priced up new Pagid discs and pads on Euro Car Parts and the cost is £433.12 (for front and rear).
Oddly, they only list new wear sensors for the front pads and a brake pad fitting accessory for the rear pads!  
Do the wear sensors come as standard in the pad box?


Alternatively, a "genuine" disc and pad set from https://www.vwmotorparts.com would be £454.51.


VW quoted £1007.72 for the parts and fitting; which seems very high.  So, they are charging at least £574 for labour assuming they buy OEM at the same cost as I could buy parts from ECP; though they should surely get a much better price from VW than this.

 

If you were to change discs and pads and wanted to keep the OEM feel, what would you go with?

 

Many thanks for your help and comments.

 

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VW group have been known to use various OE suppliers;  Pagid (TMD Friction group who also produce Textar and Mintex), ATE and TRW could potentially be used.  Jurid manufacture the Clubsport pads so they may be an OE supplier for 'regular' brake pads/discs too. 

 

VW themselves quote £319 on their fixed price front pad and disc replacements and £139 for the rear pads (I can't see a price for rear disc and pads but it will be less than £319).  I fail to see how they've arrived at a price that is over £600 TBH.  I would query it and refer them to VW's own fixed price servicing costs.  I paid much less than £1000 to have Clubsport discs/pads on the front and Brembo discs and Jurid pads on the rear, I supplied the parts to an indy specialist. 

 

If you're pricing up the parts yourself then check ECP's sister companies as they can often be much cheaper and don't just look at the list price as sometimes one site will list them higher than the other but they may have a better discount promotion at the time.  Worth checking ECP, buycarpartsonline, carparts4less and Autodoc are another good outlet too.  The autodoc phone app usually is cheaper than the website too. 

 

Also worth phoning around a few local independent specialists.  If they are reputable then they should use OE parts and will likely be significantly cheaper than VW.  Some may allow you to supply your own but some prefer not to as they don't like to have any comeback should your chosen parts fail or similar. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, golfr7.5blue said:

Hi.  I'd welcome your advice and recommendations please re my Golf R estate, facelift 2017 DSG ...


My local VW dealer has done a health check and reported the pads are 75% worn (from a visual check) and that the discs and pads need replacing front and rear.

I've questioned this and asked them to measure rather than just do a visual check and report back.


Whilst they're are doing this, do you know what the new pad and disc thickness is, and what is the minimum thickness for each?
Also, who makes the OEM parts?
And, how many hours would you guess this job would take?  Perhaps 1.5?


I have priced up new Pagid discs and pads on Euro Car Parts and the cost is £433.12 (for front and rear).
Oddly, they only list new wear sensors for the front pads and a brake pad fitting accessory for the rear pads!  
Do the wear sensors come as standard in the pad box?


Alternatively, a "genuine" disc and pad set from https://www.vwmotorparts.com would be £454.51.


VW quoted £1007.72 for the parts and fitting; which seems very high.  So, they are charging at least £574 for labour assuming they buy OEM at the same cost as I could buy parts from ECP; though they should surely get a much better price from VW than this.

 

If you were to change discs and pads and wanted to keep the OEM feel, what would you go with?

 

Many thanks for your help and comments.

 

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My god, £1k ? What are you driving an M3? VW are having a laugh... 

 

Just priced pagid discs and pads all round for £300.. would fit myself but if paying I would get a trusted indy to do them rather than VW.. doesnt have any affect on service history having them fitted at an indy. Wouldnt be look to pay more then 2 hours labor for the lot. Should get it all sorted for well under £500.

 

Tell VW to swivel

 

 

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That does seem pricey.  
 

Not a direct comparison to yours, but like Penguin I had replacement pads and discs all round (last October) carried out at an independent for a good bit less than that, and that was upgrading the fronts to Clubsport S discs/pads; and replacing the rears with standard discs and pads.  

VW quoted me £1080 made up as follows:

- Fronts -  Clubsport S (discs and pads) -  parts £496 

- Rears - standard oem discs and pads - parts £232 

£352 fitting cost

Total £1080

 

My independent did the lot for a few hundred less.  

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Good to know - thank you.

 

Contrary to their report, the dealer has confirmed a "red" warning on their report could be misleading and they don't necessarily need replacing "urgently". 

Also, I suspect a visual inspection is likely to be very poor when judging disc wear.


They confirmed the following brake specs, so I'll check the wear with callipers this weekend.

  • Front
    • The front brake discs new are 24mm and the wear limit is 21mm.
    • The front brake pads are 12mm new and the wear limit is 2mm.
  • Rear
    • The rear brake discs new are 10mm and the wear limit is 8mm.
    • The rear brake pads are 11mm new and the wear limit is 2mm.

I'll check the wear with callipers this weekend and suspect I'll have several thousand miles remaining.

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27 minutes ago, Daveleach said:

Also ECP normally do a flash sale with 50% off brakes at least once a fortnight. So maybe worth waiting for that.

whereabouts in country are you located?

Thanks.
I'd applied a 40% off code for the prices in the image.  
But, when it's time to buy, I'll def do a proper shop-around.
 

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Good timing for this thread - pretty sure I'm coming up for front and rear discs and pads soon. Though VW's last inspection said 20% worn, which is the same as it was 2 years ago and 15k miles less...so I don't trust that at all! Then again, I haven't looked myself.

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2 minutes ago, Ignition1 said:

Good timing for this thread - pretty sure I'm coming up for front and rear discs and pads soon. Though VW's last inspection said 20% worn, which is the same as it was 2 years ago and 15k miles less...so I don't trust that at all! Then again, I haven't looked myself.


VW reckoned mine had gone from 40% worn 2,000 miles ago (last July) to 75% worn now.
Which suggests for estimating wear, the visual inspection is pretty pointless unless it's on the wear indicator.

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18 minutes ago, Daveleach said:

its not that bad of job to do yourself.

Thats why i asked where you are in country? 

I could do it for a few beer tokens?

North West.
Thanks for the kind offer.
Seems like I'm in no need for a desperate rush, so I'll see what may be needed once I do a proper wear measurement.

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17 minutes ago, golfr7.5blue said:

North West.
Thanks for the kind offer.
Seems like I'm in no need for a desperate rush, so I'll see what may be needed once I do a proper wear measurement.

Get the club sport discs on the front.. those things are shiny and will add like 15 BHP purely for aesthetics... just kidding.. they're really nice though, I will be getting some of them on the front and OEM rears when the time comes 

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This backs up what I and others have said about VW dealerships. Find yourself a good independent. My front brakes didn’t get changed until into my fourth year - they seemed to last well. I’d be inclined to get some Clubsport S Discs and pads if you can afford to. Bit more pricey but they perform better and look better - plus the hubs don’t rust.


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14 hours ago, camelsac2002 said:

This backs up what I and others have said about VW dealerships. Find yourself a good independent. My front brakes didn’t get changed until into my fourth year - they seemed to last well. I’d be inclined to get some Clubsport S Discs and pads if you can afford to. Bit more pricey but they perform better and look better - plus the hubs don’t rust.


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A few have said that.  Good suggestion.

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