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Revo - Stage 1 - 2019 Golf R Mk7.5 - should I?!

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Hello All,

 

Been some months since I've been on here! I have been contemplating whether to even consider a Revo Stage 1 tune, as the performance increase for the price... I think is quite good.

 

I do, however, have concerns around warranty and whether this is going to be a problem. I have been told by the fitter that it can be swapped back to Stock, but then I have also read that sometimes garages "flash" the ECU for updates etc.... which could potentially wipe out the tune? Is that a thing? 

 

Have any of you done a stage 1 on a car within warranty, and...does it completely void it, or? With 1 year left on my warranty, I'm a bit hesitant and I have never tuned a car before.

 

Any advice, feedback, suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks,

Simon

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I've never tuned my R so I can't say if it's "worth it" or not :)

 

But there are quite a few posts about maps and warranty - if you google "TD1" you'll see more as well. In short, there is a 'flag' that pops up to VW called "TD1" that basically says to them: this car's ECU / engine has been messed around it. Usually seeing that means any warranty claims on the engine are void. I've never heard in this forum, or anywhere, that VW will honour warranty claims on an engine that is known to be mapped. From what I gather as well - the TD1 flag can't be wiped away, but I could be wrong.

 

So basically - yes, it will void your warranty. But I'm not sure if it voids your total warranty on the car - e.g. if the electrics in the boot lid stopped working, would that be invalid because of an engine map?? Someone else will know.

 

Personally if I went Stage 1, I would keep a good chunk of money in case the worst happens - for reassurance. I'm willing to bet there are far, far more success stories of people mapping their Rs than negative ones, but you'll only come across negatives online since owners will usually only post about it when there is a problem. You won't see posts like: "Been at stage 1 for 5 years, totally fine!". 

 

Also personally, I think Revo is a good choice - or APR. Those two are big enough to care about their reputation in the market, so you can trust they will go a bit further with testing etc. I've also heard a DSG map is worth getting with an ECU map so they both work well together. 

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Not 100% sure, but think the Revo stage one for gpf models can realise lower gains over non GPF just in case you had scan read for headline figures. 
Also, are you manual or dsg? I’d not remap or tune a manual without updated clutch.
As for warranty, my understanding is that it’s definitely visible, even if flashed back and may cause issues if you claim for associated damage. By that, I can’t see VW repudiating a claim for a rusty boot lid because you have a remap. But if you end up with some sort of catastrophic engine or drivetrain failure, they would be well in their rights to turn you down.

Some other options exist in JB4 etc, as manipulate signals outside of the eco so leave no footprint there.

All just my opinion, though.

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My Golf is a DSG. I've never tuned or even thought about doing it with a car before, so I'm a bit concerned about having no warranty.... not that I have had any engine related issues so far, but I don't want to create any...! 

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I’m at the other end of the scale in having always modified pretty much everything I’ve driven, but never had any warranty to worry about 🤣

Have a look into JB4 as many people go that route for discreet tuning 

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50 minutes ago, Simonjh88 said:

My Golf is a DSG. I've never tuned or even thought about doing it with a car before, so I'm a bit concerned about having no warranty.... not that I have had any engine related issues so far, but I don't want to create any...! 

 

I ran Revo Stage 1 on a 2019 Mk 7.5 GPF (DSG) for about 6 months before switching to stage 2. At the time the only hardware modification that I had was an IE open intake, which in all honesty does pretty much nothing for performance. Had no problems with it at all. The only thing I would suggest thinking about is to get a DSG map as well - I ended up taking advice from here and got a TVS 2+ DSG map which I'm happy with.

 

If you are thinking of taking it past stage 1 at any stage, as far as I know Revo are the only one of the 'big' tuners who have a GPF map - assuming yours is GPF? I was under the impression that there are some early 2019s that are pre-GPF but I could be wrong.

 

I was in the same boat as you that I was a little worried about voiding the warranty, which at that time had 2 years left to run. I've since had something totally unrelated to the engine or drivetrain repaired as a warranty issue with no problems. As others have said, its good to have a chunk saved just in case anything goes catastrophically wrong.  Whatever way you look at it, if you extract more power from the engine you are putting more strain on the engine. Since going stage 2 I've had my turbo checked over after the occasional loud squeak, apparently all is OK but it does make we wonder as to its longevity. 

 

But how much more fun it makes it... 😁

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2 hours ago, Simonjh88 said:

My Golf is a DSG. I've never tuned or even thought about doing it with a car before, so I'm a bit concerned about having no warranty.... not that I have had any engine related issues so far, but I don't want to create any...! 

 

100% feel that. I've considered mapping mine at various points but that "chunk of money" to keep aside as a worst-cast for engine issues is usually the issue for me :D

 

There is always something more important that crops up to spend those chunks on. I've resigned to the fact I will just stick with a stock R and wait till I have a big chunk to put on a faster stock car in future. Most likely electric at this rate...

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24 minutes ago, Simonjh88 said:

How much of a "chunk" are we talking though? An entire new engine amount, or just a grand or two?

 

It would seem that for the most part, if it goes badly wrong it will be the turbo - I've considered uprating the stock turbo in mine just to protect things - Revo's offering is about £3300. There are lots of different options for turbo upgrades but most require a custom map. Most of the horror stories with the IS38 seem to be earlier models - I think you will find the turbo has been revised quite a few times.

 

That said, you do always run the risk of damaging the whole engine - not at all trying to put you off but its something to think about as a worst case scenario.

 

Should also say, I've never tuned a car before, went with the Revo map partly because there is an authorised retailer locally, partly because of reputation and the amount of development that they have put into these cars.

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2 minutes ago, Indemand said:

 

It would seem that for the most part, if it goes badly wrong it will be the turbo - I've considered uprating the stock turbo in mine just to protect things - Revo's offering is about £3300. There are lots of different options for turbo upgrades but most require a custom map. Most of the horror stories with the IS38 seem to be earlier models - I think you will find the turbo has been revised quite a few times.

 

That said, you do always run the risk of damaging the whole engine - not at all trying to put you off but its something to think about as a worst case scenario.

 

Should also say, I've never tuned a car before, went with the Revo map partly because there is an authorised retailer locally, partly because of reputation and the amount of development that they have put into these cars.

 

I would only go Stage 1, as I think that would yield enough power for me, and I don't drive it as hard as some people do. I have my moments, but I'm not one to launch it every 5 seconds. In fact, I think I've only launched it about 6 times in 18 months of ownership.

 

Mine is the GPF, exactly the same as yours. I wish it wasn't, only so it would be a bit noisier. 

 

Hmmm.... I guess it's a cross between.... maybe having to stump up some money for something that goes wrong, or leaving it as is and then sinking many many many thousands more into a car that is that fast in stock form, such as an RS3. *sigh* 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Simonjh88 said:

Mine is the GPF, exactly the same as yours. I wish it wasn't, only so it would be a bit noisier. 

 

I think you'll find the GPFs tend to be louder than the non-GPF generally - I've got the Akraprovic, never drive one with stock.

 

To feel the benefit of stage 1 you don't need to be launching it all the time, just generally feels a much nicer car to drive. This could be totally wrong, but it didn't 'feel' as though stage 1 put anywhere near as much stress on things as stage 2 does.

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Been running Revo stage 1 Gpf since July last year so done about 7k on it.
Makes a huge difference to the way the gpf car performs and it feels so much better.
So yeah definitely worthwhile doing.

As for warranty I always modify my cars so always tuned during the warranty period, I haven’t ever had any mechanical failures but if I did I wouldn’t be trying to claim from warranty.
The saying pay to play is true whether that’s a remap or a tuning box, don’t be naive in thinking that getting the car flashed to standard or taking the tuning box off will not be detected as everything is detectable.

It’s a bit of a gamble but generally if you give a bit of mechanical sympathy 99% of people are fine.

My cars now heavily modified and gets dealer serviced and receives warranty work not engine related pan roof etc.


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I've had 4 Revo maps now, 3 on various VW group 2 litre diesels of various outputs and now a stage 1 on my R.  Never had a single issue.  I'm fully aware that it's just pure luck as to parts going bang but being mechanically sympathetic as well as a good maintenance regime can really help keep you on the right side of an expensive bill. 

 

Not sure who you're looking at for the Revo but I used Quattro Tech in St Ives when we lived in the area.  They also done all the servicing and maintenance on my cars; very good indy specialist IME.   That is another positive about Revo (and APR) IMO, most of the agents are reputable and well regarded indy specialists so you at least have some peace of mind from an aftercare perspective. 

 

 

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I ran Revo stage 1 on my 2019 GPF car for around 3k miles (around 11k in car). Made the car come alive.

 

went stage 2 around the 14k mark (now 17.5k) when they released it (done a lot to the car) and it has been great since. A guy at the lights in a stage 2 S3 with a decat wanted a little race from the lights and I pulled away from him. Had a chat at the next lights but didn't ask him what tune he had. See him fairly often in my commute to work so will ask him if I get the opportunity. 
 

This is the list of mods I’ve done so far with more due soon

 

APR intake

APR secondary pipe 

APR Turbo elbow 

APR turbo muffler delete 

Wagner comp core intercooler

Revo charge boost pipe kit 

Miltek car back cerakote valved 

Valve delete 

H&R 25mm lowering springs

Judd T311R wheels

Oettinger spoiler,  oettinger flicks 

Dynamic wing mirror indicator 

Wind deflectors 

Dechrome kit (here but need to install it)

Stage 2 Revo 

Paint correction (2 stage) and ceramic

Carbon wing mirrors 

Plus some other bits 

(Being installed on the weekend) Maxton front lip, side skirt and rear diffuser 

TVS stage 2+ TCU tune (April install)

DTUK pedal box

Updated leyo diverter valve with stage 2 spring

Manifold cover

 

Any tune is a risk but they can be minimised by using reputable brands, tuners and especially mechanics for the maintenance. I am pleased with how the car drives and I don’t tend to kick the daylights out of it all the time.

 

I know if the turbo went, my hand is in my pocket and am prepared for that. I’ve had work done to the car under warranty (non engine) without issue also.

 

Cheers

Jon

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12 hours ago, Penguin said:

I've had 4 Revo maps now, 3 on various VW group 2 litre diesels of various outputs and now a stage 1 on my R.  Never had a single issue.  I'm fully aware that it's just pure luck as to parts going bang but being mechanically sympathetic as well as a good maintenance regime can really help keep you on the right side of an expensive bill. 

 

Not sure who you're looking at for the Revo but I used Quattro Tech in St Ives when we lived in the area.  They also done all the servicing and maintenance on my cars; very good indy specialist IME.   That is another positive about Revo (and APR) IMO, most of the agents are reputable and well regarded indy specialists so you at least have some peace of mind from an aftercare perspective. 

 

 

Ah, you were a local Cantabrigian! I have been talking to QuattroTech in Peterborough this week, but will probably take it to St Ives as they're just a smidge closer.

 

Nice to know you have used them! I have a service plan with VW, but I would like a haldex clean as well, so might get them to do that too.

 

When you say mechanically sympathetic, what do you mean? 

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