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4 hours ago, Msportman said:

I normally change my oil 6-7k using Millers although this time it was closer to 10k but the oil wasn’t that dirty. 
My track excursions are now brief and try and go to open pit Lane days where I venture out for 3-4 laps and pop back in for a cool down. I normally limit to half day and change the oil when it’s due rather than straight after the event. Originally I was changing the oil straight after the event but it was just OTT for its usage.

Never had a problem at stage 2 and car now sits at 47k and drives like it did from new, everything still tight and hardly any usage between changes. 
I do run a Racingline Catch Can that is effective in collecting emulsified oil vapour.

 

 

Im open to the idea of reducing frequency of changes, and will develop a proper schedule in due course once ive done more miles & trackdays etc. the mapper however has been clear about very frequent servicing.

i got back from the ring and spa about 2 weeks ago and did just over 1k miles in all. The car itself is only just over 31k miles.


at spa i did find myself short shifting a bit as temps were high and theres just no need to be up at 7k+ rpm when all the torque is at around 3-5k. 

 

the catch can thing i’m still on the fence about. Isn't this just indicating a fault with the factory pcv, or does stage 2 just completely overwhelm the pcv system to then require it?

maybe my driving style means i haven't seen that issue yet. Maybe when i go stage 2 the problem will reveal itself. I don't tend to late brake, and this is where most get the plumes of white/blue smoke out of the exhaust.

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9 hours ago, purplepulser said:

Im open to the idea of reducing frequency of changes, and will develop a proper schedule in due course once ive done more miles & trackdays etc. the mapper however has been clear about very frequent servicing.

i got back from the ring and spa about 2 weeks ago and did just over 1k miles in all. The car itself is only just over 31k miles.


at spa i did find myself short shifting a bit as temps were high and theres just no need to be up at 7k+ rpm when all the torque is at around 3-5k. 

 

the catch can thing i’m still on the fence about. Isn't this just indicating a fault with the factory pcv, or does stage 2 just completely overwhelm the pcv system to then require it?

maybe my driving style means i haven't seen that issue yet. Maybe when i go stage 2 the problem will reveal itself. I don't tend to late brake, and this is where most get the plumes of white/blue smoke out of the exhaust.


Advice from my tuner Retro Resus & VW Racing were that these engines suffer with oil entering the breather system especially on track that “can” cause issues and failure of the turbo especially with oil surge and high speed cornering and braking. Retro build VW Cup cars both Tom Walker and Graham Scott have immense experience in all aspects of race engine builds.  
I was  advised from the start to fit a

catch can even going stage 1 .

VW Racing words were the first and most essential item to fit for track use is the catch can and brake upgrade for the R. The breather system is well known in the tuning world  with the EA 888

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20 minutes ago, Msportman said:


Advice from my tuner Retro Resus & VW Racing were that these engines suffer with oil entering the breather system especially on track that “can” cause issues and failure of the turbo especially with oil surge and high speed cornering and braking. Retro build VW Cup cars both Tom Walker and Graham Scott have immense experience in all aspects of race engine builds.  
I was  advised from the start to fit a

catch can even going stage 1 .

VW Racing words were the first and most essential item to fit for track use is the catch can and brake upgrade for the R. The breather system is well known in the tuning world  with the EA 888

Glad I did fit the catch can knowing the horrible crud that collects in the can!

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On 05/08/2022 at 00:56, Msportman said:

Glad I did fit the catch can knowing the horrible crud that collects in the can!

Hmm, how often do you flush it out? And i assume you keep topping up the oil just as frequently?

 

I find mine doesn't use a drop of oil at all. each time i check, its always at the max oil line on the dipstick.

 

i would be interested to see what would happen if you took the contents of the can, stuck it in a pan and heated it up to approximate engine oil temps for about 30 mins. When left to cool, i wonder if what you were left with is just the oil? I assume its moisture collecting in the can with the oil right? 


if the stock breather system is easily overwhelmed just by taking the car on track, is there not a better system being developed than just using a can ? Do you know if the new mk8 R has a better breather system to cope with this or does it mainly affect tuned only vehicles and only those that are tracked?

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On 06/08/2022 at 11:03, purplepulser said:

Hmm, how often do you flush it out? And i assume you keep topping up the oil just as frequently?

 

I find mine doesn't use a drop of oil at all. each time i check, its always at the max oil line on the dipstick.

 

i would be interested to see what would happen if you took the contents of the can, stuck it in a pan and heated it up to approximate engine oil temps for about 30 mins. When left to cool, i wonder if what you were left with is just the oil? I assume its moisture collecting in the can with the oil right? 


if the stock breather system is easily overwhelmed just by taking the car on track, is there not a better system being developed than just using a can ? Do you know if the new mk8 R has a better breather system to cope with this or does it mainly affect tuned only vehicles and only those that are tracked?


"i would be interested to see what would happen if you took the contents of the can, stuck it in a pan and heated it up to" i got to this part and started to wonder where this was going lol

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2 hours ago, r600_clubsport said:


"i would be interested to see what would happen if you took the contents of the can, stuck it in a pan and heated it up to" i got to this part and started to wonder where this was going lol

Lol, indeed. cos lets face it, who would bother to do something like this? Most people would empty the can and think, "yuk, I'm glad that's not in my engine!" It was really my curiosity, wondering if just running your engine normally for 30 mins would boil off any moisture content returning the leftover contents to oil?

 

I totally get the point of a catch can, which is to solve the problem of oil surge at the exact moment it occurs, and is really no different to the other breather systems on other modified performance cars but I wonder whether VW have revised the baffles in the PCV system to better cope? Is the tell tale sign you have this issue the blue/white plumes of smoke when braking hard?

No-one seems to be able to say exactly when it may start to occur, and whether it will happen the more g-force I subject the engine to, or if it is analogous to a light switch being turned on as soon as you go stage 2 for example.

 

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My R”s catch can is normally cleaned at oil service. I have no oil usage between the changes as it hardly ever drops on the dipstick. 
I only do approx 5-6k per year and in the summer 2-3 track events normally 1/2 days so it’s not hammered all day. Oil consumption doesn’t increase on circuit use and I don’t get any plumes either on track or at idle.

The general feedback from Racingline and my tuner is that for the longevity of the turbo keeping it free from oil vapour etc keeping it clean on track where you get more oil movement the can would help greatly and it has since 2017!

 

Not sure about MK8R and it’s set up.

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I got a catch can even before mapped, i read a lot of known VAG specialists recommend them, i've seen some vid clips of non tuned cars with them empty the catch can & mad how much it catches. Glad i got mine, not had to empty it as much i must say but when i have, rank

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