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I don't necessarily disagree, but if the R is a warm hatch what is your criteria for a Hot Hatch? Torque steer? Understeer? Having a LSD? Recaro seats? Bone crunching harsh ride?

Joinery said that the GTi was a warm hatch, not the R ;)

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That's correct lawrie

The r is certainly a hot hatch

 

Ah, sorry buddy, didn't realise you were replying to the post above yours. Thought you were replying to the OP.

 

Completely agree about the GTI being a warm hatch. The R is the new GTI. 

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I think vw have made a mistake with pricing maybe??

 

Nope. I think it's a strategic decision to push the GTI down to pecking order. Wouldn't surprise me if the R400 becomes the new top level trim. Or who knows perhaps a future R might get that 2.5L lump from the RS3...

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Being just a little bit older than some here (ahem), I can recall when the term 'sports car' only applied to a 'low slung' car with only two proper seats. This meant that e.g. an Austin Healy 'Frogeye' Sprite was referred to as a sports car despite it only having a 850cc engine and the kind of performance that was only marginally better than walking.

 

I think even today if you put a Boxter alongside a Golf R and asked the 'ordinary' (non-petrol-head) man or woman in the street which one they would call a sports car, they'd choose the Porker every time.

 

So although Col is right about it having nothing to do with 0-60 performance, I think it still comes down to the style of the car. We may laugh at the idea of a diesel Scirocco but it's fair to say that if you put one on your drive your neighbours would think you've gone up in the world by being able to afford a 'sports car'. Forget about the bloke opposite with the Golf R who'll be laughing at you..

 

A warm or hot hatch, or 'sports saloon', denotes a family car with a 3 or 5 doors which has better performance than the cooking version. 

 

An Ãœber Hatch is most often the label given to hot hatches with the kind of performance equal to or better than what can loosely be termed a 'supercar'. A sports saloon with similar performance is alternatively called a 'Q' car.

 

A 'supercar' is… for discussion another time!

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"This meant that e.g. an Austin Healy 'Frogeye' Sprite was referred to as a sports car"

 

Hmm, also being somewhat long in the tooth, I remember considering that the 'frogeye' was a pretend sports car - got a bit more excited by a Healey or TR :)

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Gotta agree with R Soul.

 

The R is a hot hatch or, perhaps, an über hatch. It's not a sports car.

 

A 2-seater isn't definitively a sports car either, though it is more likely to be one, in much the same way that a 4-seater is unlikely to be a sports car, but there are exceptions.

 

As someone said, a sports car was designed as such from paper to manufacture. The R is a modified Golf.

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